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8/25/09
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Crash course in protest needed.
Explanation of the kind of help/info we need is in the video below. All the back story is on this page in the posts below this one.
If you have no idea what I can do but think you might know somebody who will, even if it is a very vague hope, please could you pass the url of this page to them. I know it is a big fat cheek asking complete strangers to take the time to do you a favour...I wouldn't normally ask. However i am that desperate that I am prepared to abandon any pretense of dignity and just plead for as much exposure as possible in the hope that some one or a group out there will be able to guide us. There is also a link to the news report by TG1 on one of the posts below so you can reassure yourself this is not some stupid Internet hoax.
Thanks so much. It isn't just us you would be helping. The charlatan is taking advantage of the some of the most desperately sick and vulnerable people you can imagine and getting them to drink polluted water. I feel for them too. Even if they are driving me to tears most days.
The poor local priest is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I kid you not, the misinformation that the water-pusher is spreading has left the priest to shoulder blame for something that he is absolutely not responsible for. Atheist I might be, but I am not going to sit here and watch a man who has spent his life trying to help people get crushed as collateral damage.
And I unreservedly apologise for my husband's "interruption". I think he thinks I just sit and talk to the computer because I love my computer Am too tired to explain what I am doing to the world's biggest technophobe.
If you have no idea what I can do but think you might know somebody who will, even if it is a very vague hope, please could you pass the url of this page to them. I know it is a big fat cheek asking complete strangers to take the time to do you a favour...I wouldn't normally ask. However i am that desperate that I am prepared to abandon any pretense of dignity and just plead for as much exposure as possible in the hope that some one or a group out there will be able to guide us. There is also a link to the news report by TG1 on one of the posts below so you can reassure yourself this is not some stupid Internet hoax.
Thanks so much. It isn't just us you would be helping. The charlatan is taking advantage of the some of the most desperately sick and vulnerable people you can imagine and getting them to drink polluted water. I feel for them too. Even if they are driving me to tears most days.
The poor local priest is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I kid you not, the misinformation that the water-pusher is spreading has left the priest to shoulder blame for something that he is absolutely not responsible for. Atheist I might be, but I am not going to sit here and watch a man who has spent his life trying to help people get crushed as collateral damage.
And I unreservedly apologise for my husband's "interruption". I think he thinks I just sit and talk to the computer because I love my computer Am too tired to explain what I am doing to the world's biggest technophobe.
8/20/09
Quello che insegna la Bibbia dovrebbe essere importante per i pellegrini
Chiedete al vostro preti per la conferma. Non si rivolgavi al preti e ignorare la realtà, se la vostra fede è solo una patina per coprire superstizione.
Se non è vero perché una persona specifica ha rimosso questi posters che io ho messo sulla strada per l'acqua?
Un con fede non deve fare attenzione alla possibilita di diabolici origini nelle miracoli ?
click sul imaggine per fare diventare grande.
Se non è vero perché una persona specifica ha rimosso questi posters che io ho messo sulla strada per l'acqua?
Un con fede non deve fare attenzione alla possibilita di diabolici origini nelle miracoli ?
click sul imaggine per fare diventare grande.
"Ma mi sento meglio dopo ho bevuto l'acqua"
Ti credo. Pero non significa che ti ha avuto un miracolo o l'acqua ha proprietà speciali. Sei curata da solo. Con la tua mente.
8/19/09
I am a druggie
first posted on internet forums 17th Aug 2009
I went to the doctor. this has been going on for six weeks odd.
The pilgrims wake us up at 2am, 3 am, 6am...and carry on. they come down at night and honk or knock for information.
You end up stressed, furious, depressed and utterly heartbroken that your "bella vita" went up in a squirt of dirty water with a FAKE holy lable.
If you are me you also get bouts of incandescent rage which leaves you clutching a hammer about to smash a car window until your long suffering husband drags you away.
the doc was lovely.
No solution.
Other than Lexotan.
So they you have it. Ivo's water is bad for you. I have to be doped up just to get through the next 24 hours one drop at a time.
It is getting increasingly difficult not to hope for him to have a heart attack. Not cos I want him dead particularly. I just need this to stop. Before I lose my mind.
I went to the doctor. this has been going on for six weeks odd.
The pilgrims wake us up at 2am, 3 am, 6am...and carry on. they come down at night and honk or knock for information.
You end up stressed, furious, depressed and utterly heartbroken that your "bella vita" went up in a squirt of dirty water with a FAKE holy lable.
If you are me you also get bouts of incandescent rage which leaves you clutching a hammer about to smash a car window until your long suffering husband drags you away.
the doc was lovely.
No solution.
Other than Lexotan.
So they you have it. Ivo's water is bad for you. I have to be doped up just to get through the next 24 hours one drop at a time.
It is getting increasingly difficult not to hope for him to have a heart attack. Not cos I want him dead particularly. I just need this to stop. Before I lose my mind.
TG1 shows Ivo in his true colours
First posted on internet forums 15th Aug 2009
My husband on the news
Ivo gets his arse kicked re the pilgrims and his fake miracles, they get him to talk about the "donations".
The story board was from our angle. It helped that this is the news programme that is most pro-church and they found the exploitation of the Madonna absolutely horrendous.
I love these journalists. Love them. Will never scream at them through their car window again.
Mario is in the green shirt looking pissed off that his wife lost her boobs thanks to not being able to eat and stress and stuff, and waking him up going
"are you awake too"
"no"
"oh good, I couldn't sleep either, chuh...that git Ivo, can I GO AND THROW EGGS AT HIS HOUSE"
"snore"
"Mario, are you awake too ?"
"no"
ad infinitum
Just leaves you feeling a little less helpless when the biggest news programme in the country does a hatchet job based on the back story you gave them
My husband on the news
Ivo gets his arse kicked re the pilgrims and his fake miracles, they get him to talk about the "donations".
The story board was from our angle. It helped that this is the news programme that is most pro-church and they found the exploitation of the Madonna absolutely horrendous.
I love these journalists. Love them. Will never scream at them through their car window again.
Mario is in the green shirt looking pissed off that his wife lost her boobs thanks to not being able to eat and stress and stuff, and waking him up going
"are you awake too"
"no"
"oh good, I couldn't sleep either, chuh...that git Ivo, can I GO AND THROW EGGS AT HIS HOUSE"
"snore"
"Mario, are you awake too ?"
"no"
ad infinitum
Just leaves you feeling a little less helpless when the biggest news programme in the country does a hatchet job based on the back story you gave them
How not to do it.
First posted on internet forums 11th Aug 2009
When confronting the 1000 pilgrim of the day who ignored the residents' cars only sign make sure first they are not from TG1 (news broadcasters), definitely do that before you ask them if they are looking for a miracle cure for blindness since they obviously didn't see that it said RESIDENTS ONLY, absolutly make sure you don't go purple in the face when you shout the bit in caps and make them all shrink back in their seats.
Additonally do not burst into tears and start begging them not to send anymore people when you find out who they are.
You will embarrass yourself.
They will shrink further back in their seats to the point where flesh and seat risks melding.
Well at least my husband got to give our side of the matter to a journalist. Not that I think it will make the cut,, five seconds after he finished some nuns in full regalia walked past (ARGGGGGGGGGGGG ! Not even nuns are paying attention to the church's lack of association with this !!!!) and got the news team all excited.
I reckon that the residents will get taped over. Well we are used to being trampled so why not overwritten as insignificant data.
When confronting the 1000 pilgrim of the day who ignored the residents' cars only sign make sure first they are not from TG1 (news broadcasters), definitely do that before you ask them if they are looking for a miracle cure for blindness since they obviously didn't see that it said RESIDENTS ONLY, absolutly make sure you don't go purple in the face when you shout the bit in caps and make them all shrink back in their seats.
Additonally do not burst into tears and start begging them not to send anymore people when you find out who they are.
You will embarrass yourself.
They will shrink further back in their seats to the point where flesh and seat risks melding.
Well at least my husband got to give our side of the matter to a journalist. Not that I think it will make the cut,, five seconds after he finished some nuns in full regalia walked past (ARGGGGGGGGGGGG ! Not even nuns are paying attention to the church's lack of association with this !!!!) and got the news team all excited.
I reckon that the residents will get taped over. Well we are used to being trampled so why not overwritten as insignificant data.
Ivo the Guru
first posted in internet forums 11-8-09
He has lost his mind.
No doubt about it, his head has swelled so much from the attention that permanent brain damage has occurred.
He is throwing all the "residents only" barriers into the fields and declaring "I, who heals the people, ...am not bound by the rules of the ordinary mortals".
Not what I ever anticipated hearing in my next door neighbours courtyard when I bought the place.He says it is him who is healing the people, not the Madonna, not the water. No, aside from cancer causing pesticide, the magic ingredient is Ivo himself.
The local priest used his sermon to tell people not to go down to the water or drink the water. Which infuriated Ivo so much that I got an idea.
Here's a link to my new poster, so far he hasn't pulled this one down. If anything is going to raise his blood pressure and take him to apoplexy and increasingly strange public outbursts it is the idea that the fake "holy" aspect he has built around his water gets recitified.
I need increasing numbers of people to hear him speak and take a step back thinking "whoa, this is a right nutter we have here".
The word will get around if he carries on being this messianic.
Still tired, still stressed, still mourning for my lost peace and tranquility but not quite ready to give up yet.
I blame my Viking genes, they seem to think the fight isn't over till I drop dead or win.
He has lost his mind.
No doubt about it, his head has swelled so much from the attention that permanent brain damage has occurred.
He is throwing all the "residents only" barriers into the fields and declaring "I, who heals the people, ...am not bound by the rules of the ordinary mortals".
Not what I ever anticipated hearing in my next door neighbours courtyard when I bought the place.He says it is him who is healing the people, not the Madonna, not the water. No, aside from cancer causing pesticide, the magic ingredient is Ivo himself.
The local priest used his sermon to tell people not to go down to the water or drink the water. Which infuriated Ivo so much that I got an idea.
Here's a link to my new poster, so far he hasn't pulled this one down. If anything is going to raise his blood pressure and take him to apoplexy and increasingly strange public outbursts it is the idea that the fake "holy" aspect he has built around his water gets recitified.
I need increasing numbers of people to hear him speak and take a step back thinking "whoa, this is a right nutter we have here".
The word will get around if he carries on being this messianic.
Still tired, still stressed, still mourning for my lost peace and tranquility but not quite ready to give up yet.
I blame my Viking genes, they seem to think the fight isn't over till I drop dead or win.
More bloody pilgrims
First posted on internet forums 8/8/09
So let's update on my mono-obsession....the pilgrims.
Headlines today.
Miracle water can cause cancer.
Curing magic water ...carcinogenic, Holy water contains high levels of pesiticide. (it ISN'T HOLY !!! GRRRRRRR)
Well that put a bit of a spoke in the wheels.
Being made to walk down here not drive, they had to park in a field well up the road from us.
I almost dare hope. this will be over before the swallows leave.
The biggest surprise was the presence of the Protezione Civile, we had a six man presence, all volunteers, policing events.
Silver linings - I have lost five kilos from stress and not eating. I have realised that I have put down roots so will really let myself go and commit to the house and do it how I want it instead of the best way to make it saleable. Did I mention I have lost five kilos ?
I have started smoking again, after 2 years of not. But I got some 4mg niccorette today so will knock that on the head fast.In fact the worst thing that happened today was being woken up by pilgrims yelling their inconsiderate heads off at 5.45 this morning. However that has to be put in the context that I did actually sleep, so improvement I say.
My owl called to me. She is back. I cried. I am pathetic. But I love that owl, she makes delinquent teenage baby owls who are dirty stop outs and can be spotted sitting on signposts at lunchtime looking bleary but defiant.
Apparently Ivo spent all his "donations" and then some on huge tubing so he could fill in the irrigation ditches and make even more money from "parking fees " in a couple of fields near the "magic water" but the Park police that I called put a stop to it and now all he has to show for his efforts at guruhood are some non refundable, enormous pipes, an award for being the "neighbour from hell" 2009 .
Tomorrow is threatening huge storms so maybe we won't even get the much worried about influx from the sanctuary after mass.
So let's update on my mono-obsession....the pilgrims.
Headlines today.
Miracle water can cause cancer.
Curing magic water ...carcinogenic, Holy water contains high levels of pesiticide. (it ISN'T HOLY !!! GRRRRRRR)
Well that put a bit of a spoke in the wheels.
Being made to walk down here not drive, they had to park in a field well up the road from us.
I almost dare hope. this will be over before the swallows leave.
The biggest surprise was the presence of the Protezione Civile, we had a six man presence, all volunteers, policing events.
Silver linings - I have lost five kilos from stress and not eating. I have realised that I have put down roots so will really let myself go and commit to the house and do it how I want it instead of the best way to make it saleable. Did I mention I have lost five kilos ?
I have started smoking again, after 2 years of not. But I got some 4mg niccorette today so will knock that on the head fast.In fact the worst thing that happened today was being woken up by pilgrims yelling their inconsiderate heads off at 5.45 this morning. However that has to be put in the context that I did actually sleep, so improvement I say.
My owl called to me. She is back. I cried. I am pathetic. But I love that owl, she makes delinquent teenage baby owls who are dirty stop outs and can be spotted sitting on signposts at lunchtime looking bleary but defiant.
Apparently Ivo spent all his "donations" and then some on huge tubing so he could fill in the irrigation ditches and make even more money from "parking fees " in a couple of fields near the "magic water" but the Park police that I called put a stop to it and now all he has to show for his efforts at guruhood are some non refundable, enormous pipes, an award for being the "neighbour from hell" 2009 .
Tomorrow is threatening huge storms so maybe we won't even get the much worried about influx from the sanctuary after mass.
Update on the pilgrim problem
First posted on internet forums 6/8/09
OK
ASL has said due to high levels of iron and magnesium the water is not drinkable and should not be given to people to drink.
In theory signs have been planted on and around the source to warn people.
ASL is still analysing the pesticide found in the water to try and see what chemicals exactly are present.
Headlines include "the healing water could harm" etc etc.
Ivo declares to the press "The water is good, nothing can penetrate the clay I stuck a pipe in I have been drinking it for 70 years" (and you can tell.....)
My "stop using zone as toilet" and "does nobody give a bugger about the residents" signs have had the required effect.
The pilgrims who don't pee and pooh everywhere (ie the majority) are revolted by the idea that they are mixing with people who would and might even walk in it by accident.
The press picked up on the signs and the first backlash articles are coming out criticism the chaos that endured last weekend and how the residents are not involved, were not consulted and are under siege.
Some have noted that if it were a rave or basically anything without a possible commercial exploitation the attitude of the comune would have been different and the law would have applied and the emergency power of shutting a road for public safety would have been executed and enforced.
The Parco Ticino police turned up to talk to me after my call and email, they along with the caribinieri are fuming that the mayor is sitting on his hands.
The park police did go and warn the parents of the actual owner of the land that he would be held legally responsible for any injuries or deaths resulting from the overcrowding. The owner is still at sea and will be back Saturday.
The road that turns left off mine that leads to the water is dramatically sagging over the irrigation stream, there is a big pipe under the dirt and it looks like thirty years of traffic in just a week is going to collapse it.
Hopefully not while anybody is on it.
I have given up. I have worn myself out Canute like.
Nothing else i can do. However I do get to choose if I stay in the madness or not. I choose not. Fri/Sat/Sun I won't be here from early morning to late evening.
We have lined up a programme and all the dogs and as many cats as I can catch will be locked in the house with food, water and ventilation to keep them safe.for the first time i feel OK.
I am typical eldest child. I fix things, I sort things out. Some times though there is nothing you can do and since I can put my hand my heart and say I have done everything in my power to protect my neighbourhood and the the people coming in to it I don't feel I have any responsibility for what occurs from this point on.
So for now I let go and the chips will fall where they will.I have found an alternative house we could buy in the area should this continue, although I think Ivo will drop dead of exhaustion very soon which should draw an abrupt halt to proceedings.
The Parco police have seen this before an d they said it almost always happens in summer (they say people are more prone to getting daft ideas and being suggestible in the silly season) and it nearly always blows over in a few months.
They reckon when it is cold it will stop and by the time it gets warm again people will have forgotten.
The whole thing is completely surreal. I hope nobody gets hurt or gets taken ill and can't get to medical help. But if they do I will not fall over in shock.
Note to self,next time buy a house check neighbours for egos the size of an elephant who have guru tendencies before putting down deposit.
The time nine years ago I was yelling my head of in pain. By six in the morning I will have been a mother for nine whole years. If I focus really hard I can still get a memory whiff of his smell when they plonked him next to my paralysed arms.
That is what I am going to make my priority for the next few days. Time passes so fast, he'll be gone before I know it. I am not wasting anymore of what we have left on the planet on things I can do nothing about.
OK
ASL has said due to high levels of iron and magnesium the water is not drinkable and should not be given to people to drink.
In theory signs have been planted on and around the source to warn people.
ASL is still analysing the pesticide found in the water to try and see what chemicals exactly are present.
Headlines include "the healing water could harm" etc etc.
Ivo declares to the press "The water is good, nothing can penetrate the clay I stuck a pipe in I have been drinking it for 70 years" (and you can tell.....)
My "stop using zone as toilet" and "does nobody give a bugger about the residents" signs have had the required effect.
The pilgrims who don't pee and pooh everywhere (ie the majority) are revolted by the idea that they are mixing with people who would and might even walk in it by accident.
The press picked up on the signs and the first backlash articles are coming out criticism the chaos that endured last weekend and how the residents are not involved, were not consulted and are under siege.
Some have noted that if it were a rave or basically anything without a possible commercial exploitation the attitude of the comune would have been different and the law would have applied and the emergency power of shutting a road for public safety would have been executed and enforced.
The Parco Ticino police turned up to talk to me after my call and email, they along with the caribinieri are fuming that the mayor is sitting on his hands.
The park police did go and warn the parents of the actual owner of the land that he would be held legally responsible for any injuries or deaths resulting from the overcrowding. The owner is still at sea and will be back Saturday.
The road that turns left off mine that leads to the water is dramatically sagging over the irrigation stream, there is a big pipe under the dirt and it looks like thirty years of traffic in just a week is going to collapse it.
Hopefully not while anybody is on it.
I have given up. I have worn myself out Canute like.
Nothing else i can do. However I do get to choose if I stay in the madness or not. I choose not. Fri/Sat/Sun I won't be here from early morning to late evening.
We have lined up a programme and all the dogs and as many cats as I can catch will be locked in the house with food, water and ventilation to keep them safe.for the first time i feel OK.
I am typical eldest child. I fix things, I sort things out. Some times though there is nothing you can do and since I can put my hand my heart and say I have done everything in my power to protect my neighbourhood and the the people coming in to it I don't feel I have any responsibility for what occurs from this point on.
So for now I let go and the chips will fall where they will.I have found an alternative house we could buy in the area should this continue, although I think Ivo will drop dead of exhaustion very soon which should draw an abrupt halt to proceedings.
The Parco police have seen this before an d they said it almost always happens in summer (they say people are more prone to getting daft ideas and being suggestible in the silly season) and it nearly always blows over in a few months.
They reckon when it is cold it will stop and by the time it gets warm again people will have forgotten.
The whole thing is completely surreal. I hope nobody gets hurt or gets taken ill and can't get to medical help. But if they do I will not fall over in shock.
Note to self,next time buy a house check neighbours for egos the size of an elephant who have guru tendencies before putting down deposit.
The time nine years ago I was yelling my head of in pain. By six in the morning I will have been a mother for nine whole years. If I focus really hard I can still get a memory whiff of his smell when they plonked him next to my paralysed arms.
That is what I am going to make my priority for the next few days. Time passes so fast, he'll be gone before I know it. I am not wasting anymore of what we have left on the planet on things I can do nothing about.
It's not working
First posted on internet forums 4th August 2009
The comune (council) have blocked just his little dirt track that turns of ours.
With a sign to tell everybody to come back on 7th august.
My son's 9th birthday.So that is the party cancelled.
I have a suspcion that the comune smells indirect commercial possibilites.
The comune (council) have blocked just his little dirt track that turns of ours.
With a sign to tell everybody to come back on 7th august.
My son's 9th birthday.So that is the party cancelled.
I have a suspcion that the comune smells indirect commercial possibilites.
It's Working !!
First posted on internet forums 4th August 2009
I put the same poster up all along the road as well as on the net.
He has been inundated with calls and visitors to his business in Vigevano.
Instead of being at home relaxing and getting over the folly of yesterday he has had to come here, and start distributing to all the pilgrims who have been arriving since just after 8.30.
We are still dealing with traffic well beyond the reasonable for the zone, not like yesterday or Saturday but up from form the previous three weeks, and having to direct people who are temporarily illiterate and can't see the signs saying "magic water not here, do not disturb"
But at he who wanted the bicycle is having to pedal instead of leaving the heavy lifting to the people who have no involvement, nor desire for involvement. Anzi.
I feel a little less powerless.
I put the same poster up all along the road as well as on the net.
He has been inundated with calls and visitors to his business in Vigevano.
Instead of being at home relaxing and getting over the folly of yesterday he has had to come here, and start distributing to all the pilgrims who have been arriving since just after 8.30.
We are still dealing with traffic well beyond the reasonable for the zone, not like yesterday or Saturday but up from form the previous three weeks, and having to direct people who are temporarily illiterate and can't see the signs saying "magic water not here, do not disturb"
But at he who wanted the bicycle is having to pedal instead of leaving the heavy lifting to the people who have no involvement, nor desire for involvement. Anzi.
I feel a little less powerless.
HELP ME !!!
First posted on internet forums on Monday, August 3, 2009
I need your help.
I live in a tiny hamlet, look for Cascina Ca'Bassa (use number 3, 5, 7) on google maps.
It is a dirt track. Two cars can barely pass.
With help from the national media one of our neighbours has been gripped with Celebrity Fever and is pushing his well water (exactly the same as mine) as Holy Healing Water.
Today 15,000 people came from various bits of Italy and converged on us. It was the perfect finale to three weeks of hell, we don't live any more, we exist, because Monday-Friday the deluded and the desperate are coming here in drove looking for the water while he is at home nice and relaxed and we are left to deal with this flux of people wanting information and water. Water we have no access to.
Today we had people gridlocked in all direction, the sick, the old, the tiny babies trapped in their cars under a boiling sun. People were getting agitated with each other between the fervour and the heat and the not being able to move.
The police came, the mayor came but he won't stop.
Please cut and past the information below and add to your blog or site. If many sites give this info then that is what the majority of the people looking for the water on-line will see. This information was obtained from the Italian phone book. No claims are made about the water, the words used are those of the gentleman in question on national TV and in print media.He lives in a decent sized city which has a police force and local traffic police who can manage the situation better.And I really want him to live with the results of his egomania instead of leaving it to us.
I'm English, I live with my Italian husband and son on this dirt track. There are about 8 families down here and we just can't cope.
When my husband complained to him tonight he screamed he was healing people and said that any of the pilgrims currently at the water shack would “hang him from a tree” for complaining and saying that he was a twit for not realising what a ruckus he caused. The pilgrims got menacing (we are making formal complaints to the police in the am) and my husband had to leave.
I am completely genuine, my email address is sarahfonto@alice.it, that is my real name. If you can't stand people using faith to manipulate and exploit while letting single atheist skeptic and some very nice normal Catholics to carry his can please just copy and paste as in onto your blog/site.
Contact me if you have any doubts, or questions regarding the wording.cut and paste the below anywhere in your site or blog or forum if you are willing to help
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Per tutti le informazioni sulla
"Acqua guarigione"
Contattare
Ivo Pignatti
Corso Giacomo Brodolini, 24
Vigevano
0381 83286
I need your help.
I live in a tiny hamlet, look for Cascina Ca'Bassa (use number 3, 5, 7) on google maps.
It is a dirt track. Two cars can barely pass.
With help from the national media one of our neighbours has been gripped with Celebrity Fever and is pushing his well water (exactly the same as mine) as Holy Healing Water.
Today 15,000 people came from various bits of Italy and converged on us. It was the perfect finale to three weeks of hell, we don't live any more, we exist, because Monday-Friday the deluded and the desperate are coming here in drove looking for the water while he is at home nice and relaxed and we are left to deal with this flux of people wanting information and water. Water we have no access to.
Today we had people gridlocked in all direction, the sick, the old, the tiny babies trapped in their cars under a boiling sun. People were getting agitated with each other between the fervour and the heat and the not being able to move.
The police came, the mayor came but he won't stop.
Please cut and past the information below and add to your blog or site. If many sites give this info then that is what the majority of the people looking for the water on-line will see. This information was obtained from the Italian phone book. No claims are made about the water, the words used are those of the gentleman in question on national TV and in print media.He lives in a decent sized city which has a police force and local traffic police who can manage the situation better.And I really want him to live with the results of his egomania instead of leaving it to us.
I'm English, I live with my Italian husband and son on this dirt track. There are about 8 families down here and we just can't cope.
When my husband complained to him tonight he screamed he was healing people and said that any of the pilgrims currently at the water shack would “hang him from a tree” for complaining and saying that he was a twit for not realising what a ruckus he caused. The pilgrims got menacing (we are making formal complaints to the police in the am) and my husband had to leave.
I am completely genuine, my email address is sarahfonto@alice.it, that is my real name. If you can't stand people using faith to manipulate and exploit while letting single atheist skeptic and some very nice normal Catholics to carry his can please just copy and paste as in onto your blog/site.
Contact me if you have any doubts, or questions regarding the wording.cut and paste the below anywhere in your site or blog or forum if you are willing to help
-------------------------------------------
Per tutti le informazioni sulla
"Acqua guarigione"
Contattare
Ivo Pignatti
Corso Giacomo Brodolini, 24
Vigevano
0381 83286
10/21/08
.. boil your homoeopathic head....
So right, “radical chic” acquaintance is dead into homoeopathy, and she has a boil on the back of her head.
Stinky, sore, throbbing, irritating and been around since mid August.
Now at least we are talking about a self limiting condition, this will go away eventually even if the sum total of treatment is sugar water/“magic”, although the "magic" will get all the credit. Even if it takes till Xmas.
So anyway, after staying awake for the latest evangelical instalment (in-between loud winces as she moved her head too far/fast) something occurred to me.
This “memory” that water has, thanks to succussion and the “energy” being retained as a curative byproduct of the active ingredient, now diluted to the point of no longer being present (molecularly speaking - LOL).
How come this memory is selective ?
With all the substances that water has come into contact with over squillions of years, and how it gets bashed about by nature (naturally occurring succussion) and mixed up constantly by the water cycle from one body of water to another..how come every glass of water we drink isn't a broad spectrum homoeopathic cure ?
If the fundamental principle of homoeopathy worked at all none of us would ever be sick anyway thanks to 80% of our own bodyweight (hey I do aerobics and step, my personal water is well succussed) and the additional extra that we stick in it on a daily basis via food and drink.
And don't you give me “you have to do the succussion just so as per the Vid on youtube", Hahnemann himself, the father of homoeopathy insisted on very precise padded travel arrangement for prepared remedies cos he didn't want the bumpy action of horse and carriage on rough roads to over energise the remedies and make them “too potent”.
Oh how I wish I could get that lot out in more or less grammatically correct Italian despite rising blood pressure when discussing this with Ms Be-Boiled Radical Chic.
Unfortunately my language skills are impeded by pissedoffyness (and giving birth) so she is less likely to become acquainted with my point via a good debate than she is with an unexpected succussion of said boil using a nearby plate.
Mind you, that'd do the sodding boil more good than all that expensive sugar water she is chugging.
Stinky, sore, throbbing, irritating and been around since mid August.
Now at least we are talking about a self limiting condition, this will go away eventually even if the sum total of treatment is sugar water/“magic”, although the "magic" will get all the credit. Even if it takes till Xmas.
So anyway, after staying awake for the latest evangelical instalment (in-between loud winces as she moved her head too far/fast) something occurred to me.
This “memory” that water has, thanks to succussion and the “energy” being retained as a curative byproduct of the active ingredient, now diluted to the point of no longer being present (molecularly speaking - LOL).
How come this memory is selective ?
With all the substances that water has come into contact with over squillions of years, and how it gets bashed about by nature (naturally occurring succussion) and mixed up constantly by the water cycle from one body of water to another..how come every glass of water we drink isn't a broad spectrum homoeopathic cure ?
If the fundamental principle of homoeopathy worked at all none of us would ever be sick anyway thanks to 80% of our own bodyweight (hey I do aerobics and step, my personal water is well succussed) and the additional extra that we stick in it on a daily basis via food and drink.
And don't you give me “you have to do the succussion just so as per the Vid on youtube", Hahnemann himself, the father of homoeopathy insisted on very precise padded travel arrangement for prepared remedies cos he didn't want the bumpy action of horse and carriage on rough roads to over energise the remedies and make them “too potent”.
Oh how I wish I could get that lot out in more or less grammatically correct Italian despite rising blood pressure when discussing this with Ms Be-Boiled Radical Chic.
Unfortunately my language skills are impeded by pissedoffyness (and giving birth) so she is less likely to become acquainted with my point via a good debate than she is with an unexpected succussion of said boil using a nearby plate.
Mind you, that'd do the sodding boil more good than all that expensive sugar water she is chugging.
10/20/08
To cot or not to cot, that is the question....
I am a crap mother.
I appear to be the only one who didn't spend pregnancy planning the finer points of managing babyhood.
I spent it eating Hagen Das in inordinate quantities instead.
I intended for Son of Thor to sleep in a cot.
Just based on the fact that I didn't know there were any other options. That's where my tiny tears used to sleep, so I supposed that was where all babies went once they liberated their host and let her breathe and pee a reasonable number of times a day again.
It didn't work out that way, I would keel over mid leech impersonation and he would carry on slurping while I passed out from unbelievable knackeredness.
By three months he could manhandle the boob by himself and latch on unaided. I didn't even have to wake up anymore. He was obviously getting the hang of the self-service movable feast cos what would actually wake me most mornings was the dam bursting on a nappy pushed to the sort of limits that Pampers frown upon.
Seriously if I had stuck to the "you in cot, me up and awake to feed you, then you back in cot" programme, somebody would have died.
Either me from exhaustion and accidentally walking into the traffic in a daze, or him from being hurled out of a window, or my husband as I went homicidal (as opposed to *just* ballistic) when he said sarcastically "oh right..all day and you couldn't find the time to wash ONE LITTLE SPOON!!!"
Son of Thor is now 8 and until FIL died a few weeks ago it was quite rare for him to wander into our bed at night.
S'nice tho..to roll over and find a small extra body has appeared. And I suppose it is nice for him, to have an obvious and easy way to get comfort in difficult and emotional times.
It is about the only time I get an uncontested cuddle these days so I am not complaining.
See tho, I wish I could say “we chose to co-sleep due to embracement of lofty principle born of deep research”...but we are a bit crap really and it chose us cos we were fundamentally lazy and too knackered to consider doing any research when there was sleep to be had instead.
I appear to be the only one who didn't spend pregnancy planning the finer points of managing babyhood.
I spent it eating Hagen Das in inordinate quantities instead.
I intended for Son of Thor to sleep in a cot.
Just based on the fact that I didn't know there were any other options. That's where my tiny tears used to sleep, so I supposed that was where all babies went once they liberated their host and let her breathe and pee a reasonable number of times a day again.
It didn't work out that way, I would keel over mid leech impersonation and he would carry on slurping while I passed out from unbelievable knackeredness.
By three months he could manhandle the boob by himself and latch on unaided. I didn't even have to wake up anymore. He was obviously getting the hang of the self-service movable feast cos what would actually wake me most mornings was the dam bursting on a nappy pushed to the sort of limits that Pampers frown upon.
Seriously if I had stuck to the "you in cot, me up and awake to feed you, then you back in cot" programme, somebody would have died.
Either me from exhaustion and accidentally walking into the traffic in a daze, or him from being hurled out of a window, or my husband as I went homicidal (as opposed to *just* ballistic) when he said sarcastically "oh right..all day and you couldn't find the time to wash ONE LITTLE SPOON!!!"
Son of Thor is now 8 and until FIL died a few weeks ago it was quite rare for him to wander into our bed at night.
S'nice tho..to roll over and find a small extra body has appeared. And I suppose it is nice for him, to have an obvious and easy way to get comfort in difficult and emotional times.
It is about the only time I get an uncontested cuddle these days so I am not complaining.
See tho, I wish I could say “we chose to co-sleep due to embracement of lofty principle born of deep research”...but we are a bit crap really and it chose us cos we were fundamentally lazy and too knackered to consider doing any research when there was sleep to be had instead.
Siblings at the birth of a new baby.
Would you have your other children in the hospital room to witness the birth of another one ?
I heard of a scenario where a three year old had told their mummy that he wanted to be in the hospital room with her and daddy when the baby came, she is considering it, because she believes this is his way of communicating his involvement and interest in the new baby and that both bonding and his comprehension of birth will benefit as a result.
My initial reaction was that his request probably had less to do with wanting to witness the birth and more to do with not being separated from Mummy, especially if separation and being taken care of by other (potentially unknown) adults is an issue due to lack of practise or a bad experience.
Son of Thor wanted to come as we dashed to Milano after the paramedics called asking how long we wanted them to carry on CPR. .
He wanted to come, not because he wanted to comprehend/witness/share in his beloved Nonno taking his last breath, but because he didn't want to be left with our neighbour. He wanted to be with us, his parents.
He usually goes everywhere with us, being left out or left with other people was new and undesirable. He goes to school and parties without us, but this was a new and different experience that he was quite keen on rejecting.
He survived being left behind and I took him in to see his Nonno the next day after I had washed and dressed him and the room. I think seeing his grandfather made it real for Son of Thor and easier to understand FIL was gone but that being dead hadn't turned him into something to be afraid of, it was still Nonno.
But far better when FIL, and the room, were tidy, dignified and not scary.
I am 40 and I still can't get the image out of my head of my poor FIL, already gone, in disarray, lying in the aftermath of the paramedics intervention.
I am glad my little boy didn't see that or the immediate pain of FIL's sons and wife.
Yes, I am talking about death not birth..but they are both part of the cycle and they both carry the "risk" of mystery, imagination filling in the gaps and a new reality.
Both of them have their gore, their howls, their release and their peace.
Both have their aftermath, in the reality of the family, who it is composed of and how people are changed within it by the tumultuous event.
I think turning it on its head and asking where at the opposite end of the cycle of life one would draw the line in the sand regarding a little ones presence is valid, above all so that the "romance" of birth, the anticipation and innate positivity of new life, doesn't cloud the clarity of ones perspective when weighing up the pros and cons of what exactly will be witnessed and if a young child is able to process that ..should all go well. God forbid that things should go belly up.
What I took from our experience of “I want to be there too” was the need to get my child more used to "babysitter" (planned and unplanned) experiences. So it is not such a scary idea. Not just for his sake but also for my own. So I can feel secure that he is safe and comfortable, if I ever do need to run off and take care of something, cos I have found a range of *trustable* people who would do me a favour in an emergency that he was comfortable to be left alone with. My neighbour is promoted to one of them. I came home to find Son of Thor engrossed, stuffed to the gills with home cooking, sleepy, safe and sound.
I heard of a scenario where a three year old had told their mummy that he wanted to be in the hospital room with her and daddy when the baby came, she is considering it, because she believes this is his way of communicating his involvement and interest in the new baby and that both bonding and his comprehension of birth will benefit as a result.
My initial reaction was that his request probably had less to do with wanting to witness the birth and more to do with not being separated from Mummy, especially if separation and being taken care of by other (potentially unknown) adults is an issue due to lack of practise or a bad experience.
Son of Thor wanted to come as we dashed to Milano after the paramedics called asking how long we wanted them to carry on CPR. .
He wanted to come, not because he wanted to comprehend/witness/share in his beloved Nonno taking his last breath, but because he didn't want to be left with our neighbour. He wanted to be with us, his parents.
He usually goes everywhere with us, being left out or left with other people was new and undesirable. He goes to school and parties without us, but this was a new and different experience that he was quite keen on rejecting.
He survived being left behind and I took him in to see his Nonno the next day after I had washed and dressed him and the room. I think seeing his grandfather made it real for Son of Thor and easier to understand FIL was gone but that being dead hadn't turned him into something to be afraid of, it was still Nonno.
But far better when FIL, and the room, were tidy, dignified and not scary.
I am 40 and I still can't get the image out of my head of my poor FIL, already gone, in disarray, lying in the aftermath of the paramedics intervention.
I am glad my little boy didn't see that or the immediate pain of FIL's sons and wife.
Yes, I am talking about death not birth..but they are both part of the cycle and they both carry the "risk" of mystery, imagination filling in the gaps and a new reality.
Both of them have their gore, their howls, their release and their peace.
Both have their aftermath, in the reality of the family, who it is composed of and how people are changed within it by the tumultuous event.
I think turning it on its head and asking where at the opposite end of the cycle of life one would draw the line in the sand regarding a little ones presence is valid, above all so that the "romance" of birth, the anticipation and innate positivity of new life, doesn't cloud the clarity of ones perspective when weighing up the pros and cons of what exactly will be witnessed and if a young child is able to process that ..should all go well. God forbid that things should go belly up.
What I took from our experience of “I want to be there too” was the need to get my child more used to "babysitter" (planned and unplanned) experiences. So it is not such a scary idea. Not just for his sake but also for my own. So I can feel secure that he is safe and comfortable, if I ever do need to run off and take care of something, cos I have found a range of *trustable* people who would do me a favour in an emergency that he was comfortable to be left alone with. My neighbour is promoted to one of them. I came home to find Son of Thor engrossed, stuffed to the gills with home cooking, sleepy, safe and sound.
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